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MONT II/A/3/1/5 · Item · 29 July 1921
Part of Papers of Edwin Montagu, Part II

Has had a long interview with Jinnah, who resembles Malaviya in many ways, though he is less personally attractive and even more vain. He is an educated Indian, too sensible to follow Gandhi as a political leader and repelled by the abuse showered on moderates from taking their side; but he greatly dislikes the boycott of the Councils and would probably support a peace move. 'Though rather small for such colossal boots, the role of a Botha is to him attractive.' Jinnah demands (1) that all officers in the Punjab connected with crawling and humiliation orders should no longer be in the Government's employ; (2) an unqualified statement that 'Indians were right and we were wrong'; (3) an assurance that anyone guilty of humiliation orders in future will be dismissed without pension; and (4) that, although the Martial Law Manual should not be published, it should be inspected by six non-official Indians with a view to their stating publicly that it ought to render the recurrence of Amritsar impossible. With regard to these demands Montagu observes that (1) although no such officers are still in Government employ, there may be some Indians; (2) this has, in effect, been said often; (3) he has already suggested that Reading should take some opportunity to say this; and (4) this is good idea and worth Reading's consideration. Jinnah expressed satisfaction with the progress of constitutional reforms, which he believes is now unstoppable, and proposed that 'we' [the British Government] should promise to replace the dyarchy in the provinces by complete responsible government and give responsible government in the Central Government in all matters except foreign affairs, defence, and Native States; though he then rather inconsistently suggested the immediate abolition of all the Councils with a view to getting for these reforms a 'three years' run on sounder lines'. Montagu feels gloomy at the demands for a new constitution so soon after the last one, but accepts that the progress of reform is irresistible and its pace unpredictable. Jinnah, like Reading, Rawlinson, and Montagu himself, desires a faster Indianisation of the army; he thinks the few commissions given through Sandhurst unsatisfactory and that Indians must be allowed to defend their country by means of a Territorial Army. Jinnah will be India in September and will meet Reading wherever he wishes. Montagu agrees with Jinnah about the army; as for constitutional reform, he is unwilling to suggest any alteration to the Government of India Act, but will support Reading in any forward movement he suggests. Will telegraph about the Punjab separately.

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MONT II/A/3/1/3 · Item · 7 July 1921
Part of Papers of Edwin Montagu, Part II

Malaviya has agreed to become a member of the committee appointed in connection with the Prince of Wales’s visit. Gwalior and Bikaner will also attend the meetings, though not as members, as will Shafi and Sapru. The inclusion of Malaviya is bold but wise, for though he is not quite a non-co-operator, he is in sympathy with Gandhi regarding social reform and carries weight with ‘thoughtful’ Indians; he seems increasingly inclined to advocate constitutional means for enforcing swaraj, and may eventually have a moderating influence on Gandhi's chief supporters and perhaps Gandhi himself. Malaviya is presently giving evidence before Rawlinson's Army Committee; he favours the formation of officer training corps at the univer-sities (a proposal which Reading thinks could be effected) and wants the Prince's visit to be identified with their formation. It is important that Malaviya should be associated with the Government in preparing a welcome to the Prince. Gandhi's social reform programme is meeting with success; he has just collected over a crore of rupees as a result of an appeal, though some of the money may not be paid. Many of the subscriptions are earmarked for particular reforms. These subscriptions are a tribute to Gandhi's moral and religious elevation. Many of them are not strictly political, but they produce an effect on the public mind. Gandhi is more criticised politically than before. It is unclear what his attitude will be to the Prince's visit. Refers to Montagu's telegram of 5 July: does not think the situation altered by subscription.

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